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Time for Time in GIS

posted by Satri on Friday September 15, @01:05PM   Printer-friendly   Email story  Permalink  Trackback URI  Slashdotthis  Diggthis  Del.icio.us
from the it's-about-time dept.
Christian Spanring links to a FOSS4G2006 open document presentation named It's About Time for Time. From the abstract: ""The weakness of current cartography is its poor representation of time. The surface of the earth is treated as a static thing." (Anselm Hook) [...] There are numerous experiments, but little solid support in tools or data structures for representing the 4th dimension (when we're still getting used to the 3rd dimension in GIS)." The time capabilities of GeoRSS and Google Earth are mentioned. Previous poll on time.

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  • Misleading

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    by belg4mit (226) on Saturday September 16, @07:42PM (#991)
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    Sure, t is not handled well. But I suspect most people care about a 3D GIS of x, y & t over a 4D. Also, GIS is not alone in handling t poorly, although the use of a proper RDBMS for storage ought to facilitate things. I'll have to look more closely later, but it seems to me that many of the examples in the abstract are just networks and route-finding...
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    • Time, 2.5D and 3D

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      by Satri (3) on Sunday September 17, @10:20PM (#994)
      ( http://alexandreleroux.blogspot.com/ | Last Journal: Friday March 17, @05:07PM )
      Right, Time and 3D are both in need of additional geospatial-mindshare penetration.

      What sometimes/often annoys me is collegues around me thinking they're doing 3D while, in my interpretation, they're doing 2.5D. Many of them have even difficulties distinguising 2.5D and 3D! Real 3D is when you have x, y, z and associated attributes, thus multiple z values for each x, y. It is widely used in oil and gas exploration GIS software. Another example of real 3D is in meteorology. While 2.5D is x, y, z where z is the height, but you have only one height per x-y pair so z is an attribute as any other attribute of the x-y pair. Thus, topography and '3D' building in Google Earth aren't real 3D, they're 2.5D.

      Am I too zealous?? :-)
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  • this is a great idea

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    by palance11 (328) on Saturday September 16, @08:59PM (#992)
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    Often when using Google Earth, or Google Maps, I'm looking up an area, and the topography is completely out of date (i.e. buildings that I know exist, are not there). And this is in urban areas. It certainly would be useful if they built in a tagging feature so you know how old the information in your results are (and this would be especially helpful for when you get driving directions... hey! that offramp has been closed for 6 months! :) )
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  • for what problems?

    (Score:4, Insightful)
    by briancnorton (255) on Monday September 18, @06:55AM (#995)
    I've been accused of being "something of a luddite", although I prefer "skeptic." That said, I have been pitching doing 3D GIS for a few years now and I see very little practical application. Oil & Gas, meteorology, oceanography, a few others perhaps, but amongst the "core market" of GIS, it's eye candy that often distracts from real analysis. I have seen a few interesting time examples, but represnting time data is HARD. How do you do it? Do you use the Z-axis to create a "temporal stack?" Do you animate? Do you symbolize by color, size?

    As we think of ways to add more junk to GIS, it's important to remember the most important concept of cartography, an abstraction removes noise to leave signal.